@AllsGood - 10. The Marvels

@bobevanz -

8. Blue Beetle - $130 Million

7. Shazam! Fury of the Gods - $134 Million

6. The Marvels - $205 Million

@AllsGood - Who are those characters? They're not in Marvel movies.

@AllsGood - The Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 was the best comic book movie because it didn't feel like it was a movie from Phase 4 or 5,it was like it came out of Phase 3.

Spider-Man:Across The Spider-Verse was good but not as good as the first movie.

Ant-Man And The Wasp:Quantumania is a steaming pile of shit that I never want to see.

@AllsGood - You use snyder as an example of the dceu being comic accurate?

@AllsGood - Who mentioned DC? I'm talking about Marvel going to shit when they killed/replaced the heroes in favor of cheap dollar store knock offs and you posting that same picture over and over again acting like Marvel is still using them.

Go around that circle, and photoshop the heads with the replacements and tell me which picture would look superior.

@IronMan616 - Funny people that argue like this love to cherry pick and reach like Mr. Fantastic. Dude, the MCU still sits at the top of CBMs. As for the "dead / dumbed down" characters, some of them are dead and some of them are still here. But that one photo is hardly a representation of every character Marvel has to offer. I understand some people can't handle change. But to hold the expectation that human actors can portray a character for over 10+ years is quite unreasonable. Yes it can happen. And yes it HAS happened. But it's not typical nor should it be expected. Not to mention, it's not feasible to make comic book movies / live action adaptations at the same rate as comic books and animations. Even animation can have different voice actors that sound similar to keep head canon.

We have to move on and look forward to the Blades and Ghost Riders and Fantastic Four and X-Men ETC. We scratched the surface with Avengers and now we have so much more ahead of us. The complaining is frankly childish and bratty. Taking the MCU for granted is like a spoiled kid taking all their privileges for granted. I have many gripes about the MCU. But at the end of the day I know nothing can be perfect and I just appreciate that someone like Kevin Feige came along and built a studio that has given us this thing we know as the MCU.

But hey man. Be my guest. Go to another CBM franchise and let us know how it is.

@marvel72 - That's backwards thinking tho. GotG 3 was great because GotG 3 was great. A Phase doesn't make a film, a collection of films make a Phase. And GotG 3 being a part of Phase 5 gives value to Phase 5. Just as Shang-Chi and NWH gave value to Phase 4.

And yes, I have my gripes with Thor 4 and DS2. But I still like them better than say, Thor 2 and Hulk. People forget Phase 1-3 were hardly perfect.

Also, Phase 4 actually reviews higher than Phase 1 and 2. And just shy of Phase 3. And I'm willing to bet Phase 5 is going to finish its run even better.

I speak in facts, not feelings.

@AllsGood - you're missing my point, I root for Marvel to succeed, like Star Wars want it to succeed, I grew up with those franchises, I hope they never die, BUT with the current direction they're headed, they may not be dead, but they have a terrible disease, an infection that needs to be rooted out.

@AllsGood - Hey why isn't there any reviews on Rotten Tomatoes yet for Echo if its streaming today?

Disney must be worried about the reaction to it.

@marvel72 - You said it was good because it didn't feel like a Phase 4/5 film. This is backwards thinking. The quality of this film has nothing to do with the phase it's in. And we can't disassociate the good films of a Phase just to make it sound like a specific Phase is bad.

Phase 5 so far:

AM3 was mid
Secret Invasion was meh
The Marvels was good
GotG 3 was great
Loki S2 was great
Echo is TBD

Phase 5 is no different than any other Phase so far. Phase 4 was also pretty damn good. We can cherry pick and pretend like it wasn't but let's take a look.


Phase 4:

WandaVision - Great
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - Good
Loki - Great
Black Widow - Good
What If... - Good
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - Great
Eternals - Mid
Hawkeye - Good
Spider-Man: No Way Home - Great
Moon Knight - Great
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - Good
Ms. Marvel - Good
I am Groot - Good
Thor: Love and Thunder - Mid
She-Hulk - Mid
Werewolf by Night - Great
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Great
Guardians of the Galaxy: Holiday Special - Good

Great x7
Good x8
Mid x3

Without being dramatic about anything, this is where each project approximately lands. This isn't based on my opinion either. This is an aggregated dataset boiled down to 3 categories of quality.

If folks would just look at facts and not try and act their personal opinion is shared by everyone in the world, we could very easily determine that Phase 4 and 5 aren't NEARLY as bad as some of you try to make it sound.

Mid does NOT equal trash. But this seems to be the trend specifically with the MCU. Meanwhile DCEU already sank and Sony's live action bullshit is consistently awful.

@Th3Batman - Well there is fewer next year and two possible good ones, Deadpool 3 and Joker 2.

But 2025..

@GhostDog - almost seems like he’s copy and pasting his own old “articles”

@GeneralZod - Because WB didn't do a World Premiere? 🤷‍♂️

Wasn't that a hallmark of the The Marvels Support Group?

@slickrickdesigns - Sad, but true. At some point folks here called every single one of these flicks a disappointing underachievement (at best).