CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS Showrunner Tackles Lingering Questions Including Plans For SMALLVILLE's Lex Luthor

In a series of spoiler-filled interviews, Marc Guggenheim has revealed why we didn't see characters like Psycho-Pirate and Reverse-Flash, as well as more details on Ezra Miller's surprise cameo...

By JoshWilding - Jan 16, 2020 07:01 AM EST

Filed Under: Arrow

Earlier this week, The CW aired the final two parts of the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover and it's fair to say that we've been left with plenty to talk about since. As well as Ezra Miller's mind-blowing cameo as the DCEU's Flash, a new "Earth-Prime" was created, which means the heroes of the Arrowverse all exist on the same planet now.

However, there were also a lot of unanswered questions about the status quo of this world, missing characters who were supposed to be instrumental to the event, and much more besides.

We've combed through showrunner Marc Guggenheim's post-event interviews to bring you guys a full breakdown of everything he's revealed since the crossover ended, including the final fates of Smallville's Clark Kent and Lois Lane, what next year's event might looks like, and what the plan was for Michael Rosenbaum's version of Lex Luthor.

To check these details out, all you guys need to do is click on the "View List" button below!

Where Was Reverse-Flash?

In the newspaper article mentioning the Flash's disappearance, it was said that the Reverse-Flash was present the night red skies appeared over Central City. So, where was the villain?

"I guess what it really comes down to is not being beholden to a headline from six years ago that was not written by any of the showrunners involved in the crossover," Guggenheim says. "A lot of things drive our stories, and a lot of things determine what choices we make. To me, tracking toward a headline written six years ago is literally the definition of ‘the cart driving the horse.'"

"We’ve had Reverse-Flash so prominent in the Arrowverse over the years, including in last year’s crossover and the crossover before that," he continued. "I love the character and I love Tom [Cavanagh] as a person, and I certainly love Matt Letscher’s version, but you have to make choices."

What Happened To Smallville's Clark & Lois?

The reset button has been hit on the Multiverse after Crisis, but does that mean Smallville's Clark Kent has now been wiped from reality? "I absolutely can confirm that they’re still alive, they’re still living their happy ending," he says. "Clark is getting the hero’s ending he deserves."

Which Laurel Lance Is In That Arrow Spinoff?

Next week's episode of Arrow will serve as a backdoor pilot for the Green Arrow and The Canaries spinoff which is currently in the works at The CW, but which Laurel Lance is that? Has she been resurrected on Earth-Prime or is it still an alternate reality version? Answers are indeed coming.

"[Episodes] 809 and 810 will answer that question very definitively. You’ll learn which version of Laurel we have been left with in 809, and you will learn why that is the case in 810."

How Did They Sneak Ezra Miller On To The Set?

It's crazy to think that Ezra Miller's cameo in Crisis on Infinite Earths was kept a secret, but it never leaked online and it was actually shot after work had wrapped on the crossover event.

"The funny thing is you would think that we had to employ all these ‘CIA techniques,’ but he flew into Vancouver, paparazzi didn’t notice, he drove onto the Vancouver Film Studios [lot]."

"I want to say a sincere thanks to the cast and the crew — particularly the crew of The Flash," Guggenheim adds. "Any one of them could have ratted us out, and you’re talking about a couple hundred people, but everyone worked together to keep this secret. We thought about announcing it, but decided it’d be so much more fun to surprise everybody."

Are There Doppelgangers On Earth-2 Now?

We caught a glimpse of Earth-2 at the end of the crossover, and its now the home of Stargirl and the Justice Society of America. But are there still familiar faced on that world?

"The thing that excited all of us is that we’ve created this new status quo," Guggenheim teases. "You got a taste of it in [‘Crisis’] Hour 5, but the fun for all the shows now, going forward, is you get to peel back the layers of the onion on that. So, I don’t actually want to answer; I would much rather see those answers come in the form of the actual episodes."

Why Didn't Psycho-Pirate Appear After Elseworlds?

Remember how Elseworlds set the stage for Psycho-Pirate to play a huge role in Crisis on Infinite Earths? In the comics, the Anti-Monitor boosted his powers so that he could pit Earth's heroes against each other, but he was nowhere to be seen during this event. So, why didn't he show up?

"[We] actually had Psycho Pirate in various iterations, in various different ways," he explains. "It’s funny, you go into this type of event thinking, 'We’ve got five hours and that’s going to be all the time in the world to tell every single story and include every single character we want to and do every single moment we have in mind.'"

"When you actually start breaking it, you discover wow, there’s still never enough time and there’s never enough space to do all the different ideas. Psycho Pirate was one of those characters that was in and out, and in and out. We basically realized that given the story we were telling, the only reason we were having him in there was because he was in the original comic."

"When we’re finding ourselves forcing moments just to be faithful to the comic, that stuff is usually the first kind of moments to go, actually, much to chagrin of my Twitter feed."

Just How Much Has The Earth Changed?

All of the Arrowverse's heroes now live on Earth-Prime but what does this new world look like? Well, we can expect some big changes and Guggenheim points to some big Batwoman surprises.

"[The] thing that has us really excited is we have now put into our universe a new mystery which is: What does this post-Crisis universe look like? Each of the shows gets the chance to tell a piece of that story, and that’s really cool. I know, for example, what they’re doing on Batwoman and it’s friggin’ awesome, with some unbelievable, ‘What-the-f–k?!’ kind of moments."

"In addition to the heart and emotion, the ‘what-the-f–k?!’ is in my mind what the Arrowverse is all about."

Where Were Crisis' Missing Characters?

A number of key characters were M.I.A. during Crisis on Infinite Earths, including Black Canary, Cisco, and Iris West. They are some pretty notable omissions, so what's the explanation?

"Maybe one day we will tell that story," Guggenheim reasons, "but again, all of those actors need to be paid, and they need to be paid a crossover rate that is above and beyond their episodic rate. That forces us to make hard financial choices that unfortunately occasionally drive the creative choices."

However, he added that the cost of those cameos did lead to fewer action sequences.

What Was The Plan For Smallville's Lex Luthor?

As rumours continued to swirl that Michael Rosenbaum would appear in Crisis on Infinite Earths, the actor took to social media to confirm that he had decline a cameo appearance as he was offered pretty much no money and given zero details about what it would have entailed.

Well, Guggenheim has now shed some light on that. "We had a version where he would have been in the scene [on the Kent farm] with Tom [Welling], and then the clock ran out on that [due to Welling’s availability]. I then had the idea of having [Rosenbaum] and [Supergirl‘]s Jon Cryer have a scene together, which would have been really, really cool."

"It’s a bummer," Guggenheim concludes. "Michael is definitely the one that got away."

What Will The Next Crossover Look Like?

It's hard to imagine how The CW will ever top a crossover as grand in scale as Crisis on Infinite Earths and, well, they're not planning to for the foresseable future as it happens!

"Look, I hate comparisons to [Avengers:] Endgame, beause it’s just not fair — we’re working with Endgame‘s catering budget — but Marvel didn’t follow up Endgame with Endgame 2. I think you’ve got to build to an event of this kind. The one thing we’re all in agreement on — cast, crew executives, you name it — is that we’re not going to go as big next year."

"In fact, Mark [Pedowitz] and I were talking about ‘returning to the roots’ of our crossovers," Guggenheim teases, "and I’ll leave it to people to interpret what that means."

Why Is Lex Luthor A Hero Now?

One of the biggest shockers on Earth-Prime was the reveal that Lex Luthor is now in charge of the D.E.O. and considered one of the greatest people on Earth rather than a villain. It's quite a change, but one that sets the stage for a lot of stories moving forward; however, it wasn't Guggenheim's decision.

"That’s really a question for the “Supergirl” showrunners. I went to them, I said we’re going to do a reboot, we’re going to combine the universes, anything you want to introduce to your shows, now is a really, really good time. And this was something that [“Supergirl” showrunners] Robert Rovner and Jessica Queller came back with. We were all really excited about it."

Was Grant Gustin On Board With Ezra Miller's Cameo?

There's been some friction in the past with how the small screen DC heroes have been treated in comparison to those on the big screen, and Stephen Amell, in particular, was disappointed with the decision to cast a new Flash for Justice League rather than using Grant Gustin. So, was the actor on board with Ezra Miller joining him here? As it turns out, he loved the idea.

"I called Eric Wallace who who is the showrunner of “Flash,” and he called up Grant Gustin — because the one thing that was our only concern was the thought we didn’t want to do it unless Grant was 100 percent on-board with it. And he was. He was incredibly enthusiastic and on-board with it."

"And then we got on the phone with Ezra Miller and told him the scene I had written and he was completely into it," he adds, making it clear that both Scarlet Speedsters loved the scene.

Were The Wonder Twins Ever Going To Appear?

The crossoever ends with a tease about Gleek and the Wonder Twins, but were those heroes ever going to join the Arrowverse? Nearly!

"That was something where we knew we wanted to end with that fun bit. There were early versions of the draft that had the Wonder Twins actually in it. I consider the Wonder Twins kind of a jump ball: We’ll see what show wants to grab it."

Why Didn't We Get A Krypton Cameo?

Krypton was recently cancelled but it was still surprising not to see the series referenced in any way. Asked if Cameron Cuffe was considered, Guggenheim reveals that we did nearly get to see Superman's grandafther in the Arrowverse. "In general, I don’t like to comment on who I tried to come in or not. But he either sat in a movie or auditioned for a movie and couldn’t make the schedule."

"We had actually written something and he would appear correctly in Hour One, the Supergirl Hour."

Many thanks to Daily Gaming World, Entertainment Weekly, TV Line, and Variety for the quotes used throughout this post!

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Nightwing1015 - 1/16/2020, 7:28 AM

"A lot of things drive our stories, and a lot of things determine what choices we make. To me, tracking toward a headline written six years ago is literally the definition of ‘the cart driving the horse.'

No that would just be called basic forethought and planning.

Nightwing1015 - 1/16/2020, 7:32 AM

Why even include a headline that your show builds up to for 6 years if you've not planned it out???

Also, I appreciate them combining all their shows into one universe......but they really should've done that from day one.

GhostDog - 1/16/2020, 7:46 AM

President Luthor at the Kent Farm

pclark - 1/16/2020, 7:52 AM

All I can say about the Crisis crossover event is... THAT WAS FUN!!! So many little nods and easter eggs and cool moments. And I cannot wait to see how all this is addressed, particularly in Black Lightning, a show I always wished would be in for more crossovers, and on the same earth as everyone else. I can only imagine that to BL's family there have ALWAYS been other heroes on earth. But as always, heroes don't interfere in other heroes problems unless asked.

NinnesMBC - 1/16/2020, 7:53 AM

Looking forward to peel off the layers of this new Post Crisis “onion” through the rest of the year and beyond.

Sneaky Ezra Miller is sneaky. This story of how this happened and all of the people that were onboard will be talked about for years.

TBH there is no question about it that the Laurel in the final episodes of Arrow and for the GA & Canaries is Earth-2 (from the former Pre-Crisis Multiverse) Black Siren. If it turned out that she was somehow rebooted too and now the original Laurel is back as nice as that would be it would not be fair to the journey Siren has gone through.

Hopefully one day they can all contractually pay all the cast to appear as much through the crossovers.

Batwoman hype, starting with that female vampire. Can't wait.

I wished he talked a bit more about Black Lightning now being fully part of the Arrowverse, maybe that is up for his showrunners.

Wonder Twins for next crossover.

I hope Psycho Pirate is used in some of the shows. It would be cool if he somehow also remembers the events.

And I would like to know if there is another Monitor around or if Mar Movu was somehow brought back too.

NinnesMBC - 1/16/2020, 7:57 AM

Also I think it will be up either to the Supergirl showrunners or left to Todd Helbing who is in charge of Superman & Lois of who is now their new son and Jon's brother. Could it be Chris Kent from The Last Son storyline?

It could be since I am not sure they can use Conner Kent yet due to Titans. As much as I would love that since it would be a brother relationship with Clark and Superboy would no doubt have fun taking care of his nephews.

So many questions.

dracula - 1/16/2020, 10:52 AM

@NinnesMBC - Maybe it's neither Chris or Conner. Based on the casting call, sounds like it could be Damian Wayne, we don't know where Bruce is so maybe Clark took him in.

MuadDib - 1/16/2020, 8:29 AM

Went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.

Truth is it was very enjoyable even if just for all the fan service.

Ezra’s appearance was EPIC - definitely rejuvenated my time interest in the Flash movie ..

If they can break the habit and only slightly modify the source material, they have a good shot at making a coherent soft reboot that could actually reset the universe and set it on the right track

It’s a lot hanging on the Flash movie.. but that’s where we’re at

dragon316 - 1/16/2020, 8:37 AM

I don’t blame defiantly don’t hate Smallville lex for not appearing doing it for no money who want to work for free unless it’s for charity

Himura - 1/16/2020, 9:17 AM

@dragon316 - He's always been kinda salty about these things though. it was difficult enough to get him back for Smallville's finale. He could've done it for the fans, especially since he hasnt exactly done much since his Smallville / Justice League days.

dracula - 1/16/2020, 10:49 AM

@dragon316 - Well he was willing to do it, but they needed answers right away, and they wouldn't give him a script or any info on what he was going to do

Reeds2Much - 1/16/2020, 9:08 AM

>ctrl+f, "wol", phrase not found

Himura - 1/16/2020, 9:19 AM

I wonder who else they wanted to get but couldnt.

"we’re working with Endgame‘s catering budget" - this is the best line and I wish every one who shit's on CW shows realizes this when they complain about it looking so "cheap" sometimes

dracula - 1/16/2020, 10:47 AM

@Himura - They talked to DC about Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman, but they admit that it was unlikely. Wish they had brought Carter back as the president at the end. Would have been nice to see a former superhero actor honoring Oliver

blackandyellow - 1/16/2020, 9:35 AM

Guggenheim inadvertently confirmed that the Flash movie will adapt Flashpoint.

“The trick with the scene is that I didn’t want to and they didn’t want me to do anything that stepped on the toes of the Flashpoint movie that they’re developing,” said Guggenheim.

BigGnVA - 1/16/2020, 10:10 AM

@blackandyellow - Didn't the director announce a couple of weeks ago that they were doing some form of Flashpoint?

Himura - 1/16/2020, 10:46 AM

@BigGnVA - I think it was literally last week lol

THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 1/16/2020, 10:41 AM

The Batman Who Laughs!

tugboy - 1/16/2020, 10:49 AM

tugboy - 1/16/2020, 10:50 AM

I hope we don't see this version of Gleek:

NicolausCopernicus - 1/16/2020, 11:54 AM

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