I was one of the few "lucky" people that didn't see it week for week. My new girl friend said it was good so we bought the two seasons on dvd and watched them. Beautifull first season! They really thought THAT one through and obviously wanted to make an innovative show concept (much like 24 did) instead of sticking with an old concept (much like Mutant X did). And they had succeeded. All those characters criss crossing within other's storylines were great until i imagined myself having to wait a freakin WEEK to see what else would happen. That's when it started to go down hill for me. And so when i saw the second season i was speachless... It sucked great balls of fire!!! For them to have Syler "not die" was stupid! They could've easilly invented another enemy (hense Adam). But even he sucked. They're idea of the future virus was almost the same as their idea in the first one! What, like it's massive loss or nothing with them? Explosion... Virus... i never even started to watch the third one don't tell me... is it a flood this time??? I got incredibly sick and tired of their shtick. And now, i just heard for the first time that Tim Kring's insulting viewers by calling them "saps and dipshits". Well i'll give that to them, they went down faster than an avalanche! They should actually go down in history for "pulling a 24" and "throwing the S" at it in reccord timing!!! Shit, one could say they appear to have something against making money.

Word. Plus what's with the repeating powers? For a show that seemed so inventive and had such a seemingly fresh take on the genre to have heroes with the exact same powers...pshhhh. West and Nathan can fly...boring. Claire and Adam can heal...what about power different combinations? Or is Peter the only guy with multiple powers? Again, boring. He's not a dominant figure so they have to single him out in another way to make him the main character I guess.

GUYS HEROES IS JUST THE AVENUE TO GET COMIC STUFF TO THE SMALL SCREEN, WE KNOW THE XMEN AND ALL THE ALMOST THE SAME STORY ARCHS IN COMICS USED IN HEROES, SAME POWERS MORE POWERS LESS POWERS, BRUNDLE FLY WHAT HAVE YOU..BUT THE MAINSTREAM PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW ALL WE GUYS KNOW ARE FINALLY DISCOVERING THESE THINGS..TOO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BY LETTING GO OF LOEB, HEROES WILL LOSE ITS COMIC SAVY AND JUST START TO SLOWLY VEER OUT OF WACK, LOEB IS THE EXPERT..IS TIM KRING A COMIC OFFICIANADO? WHO KNOWS..WAS HE GLEEMING CORE IDEAS FROM LOEB?..AFTER THE SHOW TITLED "WAR" WICH IS THE LAST SHOW LOEB HELPED DO, ITS ALL KRING FROM THERE ON..SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE...

I actually love the show. I mean yeah it's kinda reminiscent to X-Men but I really like it though...Idk I hope it doesn't get owned anytime soon...at least get new writers who can start fresh in a new season...I think they should keep going, the show has potential...

Warpath, it sounds like you've never even seen Heroes. I love Heroes. Along with Chuck, Two and a Half Men, and the New Adventures of Old Christine, Heroes rocks. I honestly don't know why people are so upset over Heroes. Come on, I mean it's not like there is another TV show that is just like Heroes. I'd have to say the destroying the world thing is getting old along with the constant waiting. I don't know. As long as its on the air and has a good story, I'm fine.

IF THE WORLD DISASTER THING IS GETTING OLD, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST?..SO FAR WE SEE VILLAINS VS HEROES, WORLD GETTING WIPED OUT WITH DISEASE, WORLD EXPLODING, BUTTERFLY EFFECT, ABOMINATIONS AND MAD SCIENTIST EXPERIMENTATION, SEEING THE WORLD, GOING EVERYWHERE HAVING MULTICULTURAL HEROES THAT ARE EVERYDAY PEOPLE..ITS A PROGRESSION..AND YEAH AS FAR AS LOSING LOEB, IT WAS A GOOD WEALTH OF COMIC EXPERIENCE THAT YOU F.U.B.Red ON BIG TIME STUDIO HEADS. I DONT THINK ITS KRINGS FAULT, ITS THE STUDIO HEADS THAT ARE USUALLY TO BLAME FOR WATERING DOWN GOOD IDEAS BECAUSE OF A MONEY ISSUE, OR THINKING THEY KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC AUDIENCE REALLY WANTS..

Heroes jumped the shark when they stopped calling it 4400.

Both just mutant ripoffs sure but 4400 was better. F HEROES!

It comes from the old Happy Days episode when Fonz jumped the shark swimming in a pool on skis - and ruined the show for unrealism, etc. Has been used since...

Actually, a funny thing about "jumping the shark" is that happy days was still the #1 show on tv for another 6 seasons afterwards. So its not really accurate of what we use it to describe now.

To all the idiots who say heroes is too much like X-Men:I must have missed the ep where they all threw on spandex, hopped in their jet and fought giant robots, or another clan of spandex clad people.

As for how good the show is, hats opinon, and its still yet to be seen, but the show definetly needs work.

I think when people say "it's too much like X-Men" they mean the premise is too close to X-Men. The old evolution=super heroes formula. But hey, Borrowed plot devices aside, the show had potential. Loyalists will like probably like the show no matter what, and no one can argue opinion. What you CAN argue is plummeting ratings and try to analyze why that is happening. There are of course multiple reasons but the fact remains that while those loyalists will continue to have tunnel vision, the majority of the people making up those ratings that keep the show on TV, are not so hardcore. So unless the show can regain mass appeal in fairly short order, I'd say its days are numbered.

Galactus should threaten to eat earth already.

do the writers of this show actually read comics?

for some reason I feel that they may lack in comic book knowledge, so therefore they're just making different powers & whatnot up without really developing anything.

Heroes is my favorite show on tv. The first season was unbelievable. The characters were original and it was incredible to see how all of their stories intertwined so well.

The second season came around and it was still awesome, but some of the characters were lame and the stories didn't flow together as well. Also, some people were too powerful.

The third season started out extremely slow and had no story for weeks. It finally got really good for two episodes and then had a few of the worsts ever. The characters seem to have almost no connection now. They need to kill a lot of them and keep them dead and then introduce us to some characters with some meaning. The only character left who is really cool is Sylar because he has such a great story. The budget was obviously severely cut as well.

When people say that it copies X-men then they are wrong. I don't even read X-men and if I wrote a superhero story, it would surely have some aspects of X-men because they have used every power imaginable.

The phrase "Throwing the S" is cool and all, but I think you guys are over-using it. Heroes is definitely going downhill, but it hasn't done anything yet that would have thrown the S. Throwing the S would be like when That '70s Show added Randy and had Fez date Jacky. Did anybody else hate that guy?

Dear capngeech,
Jeph Loeb WRITES comics.

Dear everyone else,
Besides Mohinder NOW, the show is great. I was kind of wishing Ali Larter was gone for good, and that the vortex black hole guy didn't get killed because he was awesome, but overall the show is making its way back to first season greatness. If you don't like it, then why even watch it or waste time flaming it on the internet. I mean, the show has Luke Cage now! How can you complain!?

I think that the show is in the process of jumping the shark, but it can survive. If they can get through this season without doing something monumentally stupid I think that they have a good enough foundation to retool over the summer and come back strong. A year ago I would not have thought so, but Smallville has changed me. I was pissed at how bad the show got with every passing season, but then they finally retooled and the current season is making all that wasted time worth while. I think Heroes can pull it off, but this season is most definitely a loss.

I don't understand why so many people are mad about the X-Men similarities. Isn't Heroes tied to Marvel? I seem to remember Stan Lee making a cameo, and whenever real comics are featured they are Marvel. I always thought that the show was a re-adaptation of the X-Men. Kind of like what all the modern "star crossed lovers" movies are to Romeo & Juliet. It's not a ripoff, it is a retelling.

I like that there are so few powers shown. I think it is more realistic. It is supposed to be the next stage in human evolution isn't it? In nature, how often have we seen a species evolve and every individual animal gets different traits? I think that Heroes WAS actually making the evolution idea more believable than anyone has before. In X-Men heredity didn't mean anything to powers. In Heroes, siblings and parents have related powers. It's smart.

I say WAS taking things seriously because this new eclipse nonsense is retarded.

One day it's interesting, the next it feels like a waste of time. it's not holding my interest very well and it's a shame. they started off well with season 1 but it was clear towards the end you cant go anywhere after that simply because the most powerful hero is peter, who just happens to be the dumbest too.

I dont like how they kill nikki but convienietly bring her twin into the story for season 3... kinda like Landfill in Beerfest, but not as fun.

The eclipse thing makes no sense to me, everyone looses their powers? what about the people who had powers before the first eclipse at the start of season 1? and then theres the eclipse in ancient japan at the start or season 2? is this new eclipse upside down or something? what happened to the japanese character thing? wasnt that relevent before? and the irish girl in the future? she was taken from the past, she's actualy stuck in an alternate future. they need to patch some holes, theres no clear direction.

Well of course the eclipse is what gave them their powers in the first place and it's the only thing that can take it away from them. Easy come, easy go, stupid story.

That's right! I'll drink any brown liquid with fizz in it!!!

Some of the season two stuff was out of their hands, like the Irish chick. Heroes handled the strike better than most, but had to make sacrifices to do so.

My comment about heredity was a reference to how the Petrelli's who have natural powers have related powers, and how siblings like Claire's mom and her mom's brother have similar powers. That is not covered much in the X-men universe. Maybe heredity was the wrong word.

I still think that the show is done for this season, but the next epi looks like it could be pretty decent.

i've just recently gotten into this show and although there has yet to be a story that can compare to season one, I still believe this show has great possibilities.