James Gunn REALLY Doesn't Like Tim Burton's BATMAN

@slickrickdesigns - he’s not writing Brave and The Bold

@Usernametaken - Well for his sake and what is left of the DC film studio, he better clarify what he said. At this point Christopher Nolan fans - who are a very protective group - have just written Gunn and whatever he tries to do off making another fan base he pissed off.

@Forthas - If you are a fan of Christopher Nolan and you read this post and then write to James Gunn about it, I am 99.999% certain Christopher Nolan would consider you a loser.

@Forthas - Sorry, I realize now you meant "written off." You originally just said:

"At this point Christopher Nolan fans - who are a very protective group - have just written Gunn"

Written off Gunn is different. You can not see his films, but if you actually did write to Gunn as a Nolan fan to say you hated that he bashed Nolan's work, yes, I think Nolan would consider you a loser with too much time on their hands who needs to get a life.

It's the difference in being a fan and a stan. Being a fan of something is fine. Being a stan is beyond garbage behavior.

@Forthas - Care to post some screenshots of what you were putting on social media in 2012? I bet it's aged really well.

@ObserverIO - I think that Zorro guy was called TheFoxx? or something?

@Forthas - "Christopher Nolan fans are a very protective group..."

So are Tim Burton fans. Can Gunn really afford to piss off even more people at this point ? Like I've said time and again, I believe Superman Legacy will be his one and only movie in this so called DCU.

@Forthas - I've got a couple of points, actually . . .

Gunn has already been called out, and has apologized, for saying edgelord shit on the internet c. 2012. The last time it came up, it was done by bad faith reactionary trolls, mostly Mike Cernovich, who was trying to punish Gunn for being a progressive (oversimplification, but otherwise we'd be here all day.) Long story short, I question the motivation behind anyone dredging up "controversial" social media takes from public figures who've been targeted like this before.

And yes, Gunn was a public figure at this time. He'd written Tromeo & Juliet, two Sooby Doo movies, a well-received remake of Dawn of the Dead, and directed two films, which lost a combined $4 million. That's a far cry from being tapped by the the largest family brand to direct a megablockbuster with a higher budget than all of his previous movies combined.

I guess my point is, WHO CARES? Gunn made some uncontroversial statements and doubled down when challenged. This is how movie nerds talk on the internet (see THIS VERY WEBSITE) and the only thing it proves about him at the end of the day is that the DCU Batman won't just be a knockoff of Burton's, which should be good news, right?

@Forthas - "What has James Gunn done that makes him the right fit for the job?"
IDK, take a C-tier comic book property and turn it into a critically acclaimed franchise that's grossed $2.5B to date? And somewhere in there, take a cursed, critically reviled DC property and turn that around into a critical darling reboot, successfully spinning off a TV series in the process? Why, I bet he even pitched his ideas for rebooting the DCU before they hired him.

"You ask who cares? Maybe millions of DC fans that have had to put up with sh*t from Warner Brothers for over a decade only to have them make promises they cant keep."

Man, you should've tried being a comic book movie fan in the 80s and 90s. We had Batman and Batman Returns . . . at that was it, for 20 years, until Blade finally broke the streak. Y'all are positively spoiled with options. And for all the shit you've had to put up with, that hasn't stopped thousands of dudes from clamoring for releasing the Snyder Cut (which actually happened!) and restoring the Snyderverse (which positively will not.)

"blatantly hiring only his friends and family and firing fan favorite actors."

We don't know whose decision it was to axe the Snyder Justice League, but guess what: it was the right call. Cavill would be 43 by the time the next Superman movie dropped. You can't build a ten year franchise around a Superman who would qualify for an AARP membership before the decade was out. Affleck and Fisher didn't want to do it anymore, Flashy McGee (I cannot for the life of me remember their shitty name. Asa Winstead? Clovis McElroy?) was uninsurable, Momoa gets to be Lobo now, which is dope, and Gadot . . . okay, that one smarts, but I'm sure they'll cast another sexy lady to run in slow motion real soon.

As for casting friends and family, for the thousandth time, welcome to Hollywood! Joss Whedon hired his brother to run Agents of SHIELD, and cast a bunch of his friends. John Favreau cast HIMSELF in Iron Man. Everyone thinks its HILARIOUS when Bruce Campbell shows up in every one of Sam Raimi's films, including FOUR comic book movies. Ryan Coogler cast Michael B Jordan in Black Panther and no one batted an eye. Hell, Zach Snyder cast Carla Gugino in Man of Steel after working with her in Sucker Punch and Watchmen. Some folks just like working together, and it's FINE.

"I understand he came into a bad situation but nothing he has done has improved the situation. He has caused more confusion and doubt in the brand."

I ask you, sincerely, to consider the extent to which you're reacting to Gunn's actual words and actions, and how much you're reacting to the internet's reactions to them. From the jump, everything he's said has been met with a resounding "Oh boy, here we go" from the commentariat.

@Forthas - real james gunn? now? didnt the peado 5hit give that game away? hes a freak, and full of it. and clearly has no understanding of quality film.

@ClintThaHamster - because this isnt the type of guy who should be running a studio!!!!

you jsut compared him to us freaks on here and we're clearly not right in head. yep he can be lord of the flies. but not fit to be DC head.

@ClintThaHamster - He did not take a C-list property and turn it into a critically acclaimed franchise, MARVEL DID and by implication Kevin Fiege. It may have grossed $2.5B to date but he is also one of the directors that NEVER cracked a billion dollars while at Marvel indicating that his films are niche films and his approach has a box office ceiling BELOW $1 billion

“And somewhere in there, take a cursed, critically reviled DC property and turn that around into a critical darling reboot, successfully spinning off a TV series in the process?”

You mean that film that tanked at the box office even by the pandemic standards and has a similar audience score as Man of Steel?

I as a comic book fan in the 80’s and 90’s. That is in fact what made it worse. When Superman the movie came out in 1978, it started as a relatively serious take on Superman with a mild amount of slapstick comedy. After Superman 2 Warner Brothers when full slapstick and ruined the Superman franchise. The 1989 Batman film was also a more serious take on the genre and met with huge box office success. What does the Warner Brothers do, inject slapstick comedy culminating in the embarrassment that was Batman and Robin. Twenty years later Warner Brothers AGAIN wants to infect the genre with ridiculous slapstick comedy and this time they put the king of slaptstick - Jame Gunn and the Gunn friends and family circle as its head. So after 30 years this studio does the same mistake over and over and over AGAIN! what is the definition of crazy?

“Cavill would be 43 by the time the next Superman movie dropped. You can't build a ten year franchise around a Superman who would qualify for an AARP membership before the decade was out. “

You mean like Samuel L Jackson, who has been Nick Fury for 14 years and started his career at 59 year old, or Robert Downey Jr who played Iron Man for 11 Years and started at 40 years old. Then there are the people that James Gunn JUST HIRED for Peacemaker, Creature Commandos and Superman Legacy - many of whom are just starting off superhero/villains including Chuckwudi Iwuji, Jason Mamoa, John Cena, Sean Gunn, Nathan Fillion, Edi Gathegi, Frank Grillo, Indira Varma, David Harbour, Alan Tudyk are ALL OLDER than Henry Cavill and Anthony Carrigan is about the same age as Cavill.

Why does Harley Margot Robbie, Viola Davis, John Cena, Jennifer Holland and Sean Gunn get to keep their roles. Hmmm! What do they have in common? Could it be that they all worked with Gunn before on a DCEU film? Friends and family! Where I come from that is called cronyism and nepotism. For the thousand and first time, it is wrong no matter who does it. Everyone in Afghanistan treats women like second class citizens. By your logic that is perfectly FINE.

“I ask you, sincerely, to consider the extent to which you're reacting to Gunn's actual words and actions, and how much you're reacting to the internet's reactions to them. From the jump, everything he's said has been met with a resounding "Oh boy, here we go" from the commentariat.”

Why does Kevin Feige, Christopher Nolan, and Matt Reeves not have these issues? Because they are professionals who respectfully engage their fans, trae actors with dignity and respect, and do not crap on other people's work especially fellow film makers.